Internally people refer to me as chief marathon officer: TCS Global CMO Abhinav Kumar

Kumar: We spoke to the Brand Finance team and found out fundamentally there are two reasons. Shibani, you would appreciate this as a marathoner. Building a brand, it's not a sprint, it's a marathon. You need to constantly build and that's what it takes.

So it was reinforcing to hear what they told us is that all the investments you've been making or the long-term rate, but that your sponsorship of marathons across the world, whether it's being present in the right forums, whether it's the content you're taking out, which is informing industries, whether it's your growing presence on social media, on the web and so forth, it's all starting to kick in. We've been doing this for, you know, a long time, especially after that IPO in 2004 is when we really got into the marketing game.

And the second thing they said is your perception scores have increased quite significantly. So whether it's customer satisfaction, it's on innovation and its customer preference as a digital transformation partner, those are all increased.

Kumar: I have always admired this campaign from a really different industry, in the car rental industry. So there is this company called Avis, whom we've also worked with over the years, they've had this wonderful campaign because they were number two in their industry. So they said, ‘We are number two, we try harder.’ I think it's great to be number two, right?

When we started we were, I think, eight or nine in 2010, so we moved up the ladder. It's great to be in this position because it leaves room for aspiration. You know, you've got to keep earning the space. It's a fantastic industry, there are great companies operating in this field. So we are mindful that it is a competitive environment and we need to keep doing our best every day to build the brand.

Kumar: We have made a lot of investment and we continue to invest. We have ratcheted up our investment in our brand over the years. We a very big complex and a global business. We operate in 55 countries. So when you talk about the brand of the company, you know, obviously in India, there is a good, strong, dominant position and we also benefit very strongly from the fact that we are part of a big family of the Tata brand.

But if you look at markets across the world, some of our larger markets, we have made a good foray into and strengthened our brand. But there are many countries we operate in where we still need to make that work. We have about a thousand people in operation in Peru, but if you ask me, if are we a strong enough brand in Peru, I would say we are not.

We need to we need to work on the multiple ways we do it. I think sports sponsorship is one of those. We get to the brand in a very material way in and into business hubs in cities and engage communities. It's by telling our story, whether it is using, you know, channels such as media, social media, our website and other things.

It's handshake by handshake, right? It's meeting people. It's being part of different communities and all of that. And the digital part, our brand needs to go where the attention and audience are.

We are present on many channels. But just to take one example of it you look at LinkedIn. So LinkedIn reached a fantastic milestone that they crossed a billion users earlier this year, but in terms of our specific interest in it, there are about 70 million decision-makers. Out of those 1 billion, 7 million of them are IT decision-makers who either buy from us today or potentially will buy from us tomorrow or are present on that platform, spending three and a half hours of their day on it.

So we strengthen our presence over there in terms of our company channels, in terms of some of the leadership and people and so forth. And then using many, many new tools to engage and inform people, educate them, entertain them, but also, you know, use that in a sense to build the brand.

Kumar: I was smiling when you started talking about marathons. The internal joke is when people refer to me as CMO, they often ask me, ‘Is the chief marketing officer or are you the Chief marathon officer?’ This is because of our sustained interest and passion in the marathon field. If you look at our marathon strategy, we didn't start with that. There was a time when we were in the IPL as TCS. We have been into motorsports, where we were a partner to the Ferrari Formula One team.

We have been in pro cycling and many other things. But when we got into this sport of running, I think the sheer value which we see in it, not just for our brand but actually for our communities too. If you look at the technology industry, it is a very sedentary industry. Most of our average colleague would sit eight or 9 hours a day working on their laptop or their desktop. So what being a partner to marathons has done inside the company has been tremendous.

Today, out of our six lakh colleagues, roughly a third are runners. So it has sparked a desire in them to improve their health and wellness. And the same for many of our clients. It engages our clients in a very emotional way. In Storyboard, you talk to many marketing organizations and I think at the top of it is their desire is to engage their clients with their products or with their services in a very emotional way.

Most of our clients don't get emotional about software or technology services, but if you look at our clients, when they participate in these marathons, it's a really emotional moment for them. They have trained hard all year. For some of them, it is the first time they are doing it. I will give you an example. Last year at the TCS New York City Marathon, I spent some time with one of our clients who's the CEO of a large bank in Europe.

He had come there with his wife. Now he's a he's a regular marathon runner. But for his wife, it was her first marathon. They ran and they finished in an amazing time of just 4 hours. And, that moment meant everything to them. It's going to be one of the highlights of their lives and their marriage. And for us to be there at this moment and to enable it for them is such a great privilege.

Kumar: I do keep pushing, the other conversation you need to have with our CFO! I think fundamentally we've kept raising the investment level on it.

I think any CMO you speak to and ask them, do they have enough of a budget. That answer will be never enough. But to be honest, I think as a company we have made a significant investment. In the B2B sector, particularly in I.T. services, companies have traditionally not made this kind of investment on the marketing side and we continue to do so.

Marathons are an important part of the portfolio, but there is so much more that we do. I think I am always mindful of the fact that when you look at our product, it is invisible. It is easier to be a CMO for a car company. Your product is there you can touch it feel it, customer can experience the driver. Or a watch company, a suit company, you touch it, you feel it. For us, what we do, for our customers it's invisible to them. And I think in that sense, it becomes more important for us to make our brand experiential. Marathons are the way in which we can do it. We also use the marathons to showcase our tech through the official app.

We have done many other things in data analytics. A very exciting project which we just launched at the New York City Marathon for the first time in history, we've tied up with Des Linden, who's a legendary runner in the US, and we have created a digital twin of our heart rate.

So it's a digital version of our heart. So now every time she runs anywhere, the performance of her heart is being monitored. Data has been taken out of it. And not just simple stuff like heartbeat, but really the performance of muscle tissue and other things. And based on that, the intent is that she will start getting more insights on how to improve her performance as an athlete.

But there's a bigger play behind creating a digital twin of hearts. The end goal of this is to make this technology available to average people. So tomorrow I will have a digital twin on my heart, on my smartphone. And what will tell me is that you have had a hard week.

You've not been sleeping that much. Your heart is under stress. Make sure you sleep on Saturday. Or your risk of heart attack has gone up by 20%. Go see your doctor or take a hard look at your diet and things like that. So, this can save lives. And we are working with one of our customers for mass application of this technology.